Episode 75 - The Tantricly-Orgasmic Goddess (Part One) with Shama Helena

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This program is intended for mature audiences only.

Dr. Patti Taylor:       Welcome to the Expanded Lovemaking Show. I’m your host, Dr. Patti Taylor of expandedlovemaking.com and I teach you how to make exquisite love. This is Part 1 of a two-part series. In Part 1 we’ll be discussing the tantricly orgasmic goddess. We’re living in a world of change, on the outer level, technology changes, information grows and roles for women change. Inwardly, our bodies and minds mature as well so today we’re going to discuss how we woman might live in an orgasmically enriched life in this rapidly changing world. Our guest today is Shama Helena.

You see little kids running around, they’re like walking orgasms. They just have so much energy.  What we’re learning how to do in tantra is we access the flow of that orgasmic energy to fulfil our aliveness and to be really all that we can be. It’s been very empowering for me to learn what I want, to have the temerity to ask for it and then to stand for it as I need to, to claim what it is I need for myself.  We can have orgasms anywhere in our bodies, anytime, inside, outside, upside, downside.  We are built for pleasure. But I think what’s really important here is that we can manage our own energy and it’s also important to know in tantra because you’re activating the most powerful force there is in the universe, which is life force energy, chi, orgasmic energy.

Taylor:                       Hi Shama, welcome to the show.  

Helena:         Hey there, hi there, hallo there.

Taylor:                        Well, let me tell you a little bit about Shama. Hi and welcome again. Shama Helena is an author, educator, group facilitator and counsellor specializing in chemical, sexual and self-esteem issues. She has over 15 years of experience in tantra, sacred sexuality, [???] psychology, various healing techniques in energy and bodywork. She’s also the co-founder of a media company, Love N Life Tools where you can watch video clips, get free downloads, read articles, read her blog, listen to audio podcasts  -- just get filled up with love and learn so much more about what’s going on in sacred sexuality. She also has a private practice based in the Los Angeles area and works with singles and couples in person and by phone. So in today’s show we will find out what Shama Helena has observed in emerging tantric trends. We’ll learn about some of the techniques she teaches women in claiming their orgasmic nature and also more about some of the benefits women might get from tantric counselling. So let’s start by talking about tantra and sacred sexuality. You teach about this, so what does tantra mean to you?

Shama Helena:       Well, it means a lot of things but I think the biggest word for me is “freedom.” It’s an excuse, an opportunity, a path that encourages self-actualization through really understanding who we innately are and tantra helps you get back to your [essent] self to discover who that being is that came in here so full of fire, so full of life, so full of orgasmic energy. Helps you re-access that person so that you can freely explore who you are rather than who you’ve been taught you should be.

Taylor:                        Wow! There’s so many key words in there.  Freedom, orgasmic energy. Could you tell me a little bit more about the freedom?

Helena:         Well, absolutely.  When we’re little kids...you see little kids running around, they’re like walking orgasms, they just have so much energy and they are taught, “Oh you’ve got too much energy! Sit down! Be still! Be quiet!” and we get the idea there’s something wrong with us and we pinch that energy off. So what we are learning how to do in tantra is we access the flow of that orgasmic energy to fulfil our alignments and to really be all that we can be. Then the freedom aspect is really about being in the truth of ourselves. We are kind of taught to live by commercial and through the “shoulds”: what you should do, your duties, what is expected of you and what you’re programmed and trained to do and tantra’s really kind of about taboo busting. It’s really about saying, “Who am I really? What do I really want? Now that I’ve been trying to socialize in this culture, now that I kind of know the rules, which rules work for me and which don’t?”  And then choosing a life that’s based on your truth from there.

Taylor:                        Okay, so I love what you’re saying. What are some of the taboos that today’s women might be wanting to bust?

Helena:         For me, coming from the generation that I did, just being a sexually overt being is definitely one of them. And even though my daughter’s 21 and kind of part of the sexual revolution, I see her still battling that in her own way. So it’s a powerful journey and also in terms of freedom for me, it’s been about being the full person that I am even in relationship. I was taught to be subservient, I was taught to be the power behind the throne, I was taught to obey my husband and I have learned that first I need to obey myself and I need to learn to stand up to him for my truth when I know that I need things to go in a certain direction and in the past I was taught not to do that.  So it’s been very empowering for me to learn what I want, to have the temerity to ask for it and then to stand for it, as I need to, to claim what it is I need for myself.

Taylor:                        Wow. That’s really an amazing journey and I think so many women are on similar journeys of reinvestigating the roles they were brought up with.

Helena:         Oh, absolutely. I’m sure many women will identify with me when I say my mother was the martyr of the century and that’s how I was taught to deal with life. And I ended up being very resentful of my partners because I wasn’t living my truth and I’ve had to learn differently.

Taylor:                        How did tantra teach you this?  How did you use tantra?

Helena:         Well the first thing I really loved about tantra was that I could move into these states of high bliss, high pleasure and high ecstasy without being in intercourse. And I could do this with people in ways that were extraordinarily safe sexuality, which allowed me to explore within myself and within them. And as I moved into those kinds of experiences I found a resurgence of my enjoyment of sexuality that I had never experienced. I’d had a lot of partners that didn’t know what they were doing and so what happened for me, is we know women need to be really warmed up and juiced to be in their maximum power in their sexuality and I really had never had that opportunity until I experienced tantra.

Taylor:                        Well I can see how if you’re just doing something out of obligation, including having sex, it’s definitely not going to feel very good. So what would you do to have incredible sex without intercourse, just for our listeners who might be thinking, “Wow. That might be a good first step for me.” Right?

Helena:         What’s kind of fun about this is that I’ve learned how to have an orgasm with one breath without even touching myself and I can run that energy for as long as I can. And the thing that’s important to know about that is that we need to redefine orgasm. Because we think orgasm is stuff that goes on in our genitals in a very small space and I’m here to tell you that orgasm can be a full body experience, an extended experience that can last minutes or hours rather than the average seven seconds. So what I’ve learned how to do is to breath and relax and tune into my body, to just really allow that natural state of orgasmic energy...have you ever felt kind of thrilled and excited about something and you get that rush?

Taylor:                        Oh...about every hour.

Helena:         When we were kids, we felt that all the time and we let that flow freely and then we were taught that wasn’t okay. So what I do is I just tap into that natural energy that’s a part of who I am and I let it rip and flow and it’s just awesome.  I teach it in my workshops.

Taylor:                        Okay, so, if you were just going to teach that right now, walk someone through that...this would apply to men as well as women too I’m guessing, right?

Helena:         Right. Sure. Absolutely.

Taylor:                        So even though it’s a show on women...What would you tell people? Just to take that one breath. What would you tell them?

Helena:         Well, I had to do a kind of a series that kind of built me up to that level which is called the Fire Breath. But what I would suggest to anyone just kind of hanging out here, is to say just take some very deep breaths so that their belly is filled. Like when you’re going to sleep at night your belly fills and pushes toward the ceiling and then relax and get into a very relaxed state Then if they start to make sounds, like an “ah” sound, which is a sound that activates the heart and they start just moving in ways that feel really good; like stretches, and opening your body, doing yoga exercises or whatever. As you breathe deeply and you make this sound, which is the thing that really moves orgasmic energy, you’re going to find yourself having really powerful thrills and in redefining orgasm what I want to tell you is that it’s any movement of energy in the body. Instead of just that thing that happens in between the genital area, it is any feeling of movement of energy. So if I were just to be tickling your arm you would feel those little thrills on the surface of your skin? That’s orgasm just as much as what happens in between your legs. So as you recognize that and you allow yourself to savour and enjoy those feelings you will be more accessible to more qualities of orgasm because we can have orgasms anywhere in our bodies anytime, inside, outside, upside, downside. We are built for pleasure.

Taylor:                        Wow! I think that’s amazing. Well clearly that has some very profound implications for new role models, particularly as we age and as our libido changes and as we reach menopause as women or just as we go into being single and don’t have a partner or as we want to revive a relationship that’s gone kind of flat, if we can just redefine what it means to be turned on.

Helena:         Absolutely.  And tantra’s really just about being turned on to life. That’s the whole thing. It’s about recognizing the beauty in life, savouring it, drinking it in deeply, kind of going into really meditative, Zen spaces with whatever you’re experiencing. And as you allow yourself to dive deeper into enjoyment these things will naturally evolve from there.

Taylor:                        So what happens to someone who’s just feeling terrible? How do you make the transition into enjoyment, you know what I mean? You’ve had a lot of personal pain in your life.  What do you do if you’re starting out in a place where life is just really horrible, you know?

Helena:         Well, one of the things that I’ve learned is that the four basic tantra tools of breath, sound, movement, and focussed attention are really key to activating your body no matter where you are, no matter how you feel, no matter what you’re doing.

Taylor:                        So let’s go over that again. Breath, sound...

Helena:         Movement and focussed attention. So the breath helps us to get in touch with our bodies. Now our body’s are our pleasure centres basically and so as we breath and tune into our body and focus our attention on our inner experience, as opposed to our outer experience, if we  do that for at least 20 seconds or more we’ll find our self shifting our consciousness into more pleasurable states automatically. That’s number one.  Number two, sound. Sound moves energy. If you’re feeling contracted, tight, uncomfortable if you make sound... have you ever kind of taken a deep breath and gone, “uuuuuuhhh”?  You feel so much better. It moves the energetic crap out. And so making these sounds is really the key to moving that energy and feeling better. The next one is movement. If you’re feeling depressed usually you don’t feel like moving and doing anything. And I have found that if I get up and start dancing, if I talk a walk around the block, if I do some yoga, it will automatically put me into a different, a higher state of consciousness. Now each one of these are baby steps depending on how bad you feel to get to how good you want to feel. But if you give care, love, and attention to yourself and if you do things that activate you and put you in a better state, you can automatically get there. There’s another wonderful little meditation that I like to do called the Smile Meditation where I imagine every part of my body smiling. And it starts with a smile on the face and it goes all the way through the body and when you’ve been doing that for a little while you just can’t feel bad.
 
Taylor:                        Well I love that you’re bringing this up because I think we all have down days and down moments where we’re freaking out, and I think to really practice some of the orgasmic things, which we’re going to go to next, I think it’s really important to be in a good place. So I love that you started with these things because if we can move the energy and get to a good place then we really can begin to be more fully on the orgasmic part of the pathway. And I think also, if you’re at work you can just run outdoors and do some of your suggestions.

Helena:         I recommend that people take a break every hour. Smokers do it. Even if you’re not a smoker at least they’re taking a break, even though they’re breathing poison if you’re they’re walking around, they’re getting a fresh perspective, they’re clearing their brain of the focus of getting into that steam-train thing, I think, of it’s doing you rather than you doing it. But I think what’s really important here is that we can manage our own energy. And it’s also important to know in tantra because you’re activating the most powerful force there is in the universe which is life force energy, chi, orgasmic energy. If you’re going to activate that, it’s really important that you be in a good place because if you’re not in a good place you could be energizing your negative emotions. As well as positive emotions. So in tantra I always teach that it’s important to get yourself into the right frame of mind before you start to activate these energies.

Taylor:                        Absolutely. Well we are going to take a short break. Thank you for that.  It’s really put me in a really good place I know what’s coming up which is some really great information and conversation. This is Dr. Patti Taylor and we are going to take a break. And I’m here with Shama Helena. So please stay with us. I just want to give you some information. You can learn more about Shama Helena at her website, there’s two of them. One is lovenlifetools.com.  I’ll spell that for you.  L-O-V-E-N –L-I-F-E-T-O-O-L-S dot com. And the other is the pleasureparadigm.com. So please stay with us and we’ll be right back.

Taylor:                        We’re back and we are talking to Shama Helena. So before the break we were talking about the bigger picture of sacred sexuality and now I’d like to talk about some more of the sexual energy and libido type exercises. What are some of the things that you teach in your workshops?

Helena:         Well, I teach a lot of things. Which do you want to focus on?

Taylor:                        A couple of them that I’ve heard are really great ones, let’s see...breath exercises, breathing, the one where you connect up the...well, start with those.

Helena:         Oh, okay. So we’re going to focus on creating that orgasm instantly, right? Well, we can do this instantly, it’s pretty cool. You’re no longer a victim of how you woke up this morning. It’s very awesome. You can manage your own moods, your emotions, your energy. One of the things that I’ve recently discovered that’s kind of fun, somebody told me about, and I just kind of went, “Zing!” This is one of the few tantric exercises that I’ve experienced that actually activate the vagina and clitoris instantly. And this one it’s a little hard to describe but I’m going to have you imagine and try it. Imagine that there is kind of...you’re being quarter-sectored in your head. So there’s a line going down through the middle of your crown and a line going through your third eye, that area right above the nose in between the eyes and across there. And right in the middle there is where your pituitary gland is. This is a very important sexual gland, I don’t know if you know that. But if you close your eyes and you put your focus in that spot on the inside of your brain, in that pituitary gland and then you close your eyes. And have you ever experienced a time where you’ve closed your eyes and you can kind of feel the way you’re holding your eyes? That there’s kind of a breathy hum?

Taylor:                        I have, yes.

Helena:         Good. So if you imagine that spot and you get that kind of breathy hum going with your eyelids it immediately activates your clit and your vagina and it just feels like a lightning bolt jolt. Have you got that?

Taylor:                        Okay good. Now how can we...what do you call that one?

Helena:         I just discovered it like two weeks ago so I don’t call it anything yet.

Taylor:                        So we’re already starting to embody ourselves with energy now, orgasmic energy.

Helena:         So let’s take a couple deep breaths and if you exhale and “aaaaaaaahhhh” and start to undulate your hips. So you’re making kind of a snake-like motion. “Aaahhh.”  And you put your attention on your clit and your vagina. “aaahhh.” You start to feel some energy start to be activated down there, kind of makes your voice kind of go, “aaahhh” and that’s something called [???] that we’re activating  rises up the spine and it literally will take you into higher states of consciousness, one chakra at a time. And for those people who don’t know what chakras are they’re energy wheels or vortices that reside within our [????] field that influence energetically our organs and parts of our body.

Taylor:                        Wow. That’s amazing. And how long would you say you can do this for?

Helena:         As long as I want. I usually demonstrate this in my workshop and for my clients and I do it because (A) it puts me in a really great space to do the rest of the workshop and (B) because it shows them how using these tools of breath, sound, movement, and focussed attention, really will help to activate the body in the ways that we’re desiring to expand our orgasm. Because right now, what we usually do is we tighten our hips, we tighten our pelvic floor and we focus all of our attention on that little spot in the genitals and then we push everything out and it kind of sounds like this, “Aaaah”.  Kind of really high. If you have an orgasm through tantra with the “ahh” sound that I was talking about you’ll notice it’s a lot lower. “uuhhh.” And what’s happening is that, instead of the energy being pushed out through that tiny little space into the world, you’re taking that energy and you’re imagining it going up through your body, up through your whole body, activating every single cell so that every single cell is literally buzzing and electrified. It’s like going...It puts you into a totally different paradigm of sexuality. Like going from high school to college.

Taylor:                        I bet the guys get really turned on too if the woman is very expressive like that.

Helena:         Absolutely. I think that’s what’s made me so popular. But really, I think that what turns a guy on the most is knowing that whatever he’s doing or not doing or saying, whatever it is that’s happening, that he’s facilitating. He feels like the hero because the man really wants to please you and men really want you in your pleasure. At least most enlightened men do

Taylor:                        I think what turns a guy on is if you’re turned on, whether he’s doing it or not. If you’re turned on and he’s in the room, he’ll take the credit for it. And he’ll just feel really great. So moving right along, what can a guy do...let’s just say manually. We’ll get to lovemaking in a minute but to hook up, let’s say, your various sexual centres or any techniques that a guy can do that you like to teach?

Helena:         The first thing I teach is slow down. Everybody’s in a rush. Because guys have basically learned about sexuality by jerking off in the bathroom as quickly as they can so they don’t get caught and they take that through their whole lives. And what we’re teaching in tantra is there’s so much more to it. We become very orgasm-focused. We become very fuck-focused and what we’re teaching in tantra is the whole thing is magical, every moment is pleasurable. When we were growing up it was like, “Did you get to first base? Second base? Third base?” And what’s going on is everybody in first base is looking at second base and they’re not enjoying first base. And if you allow yourself to relax into the experience you’re actually having, instead of running an agenda, you’re going to find that you enjoy and savour experience so much more profoundly, it will blow your mind.  And it will give the woman the time and the energy she needs to open and relax.  In addition, she really needs to feel attuned with you. And if you take the time for making out and if you take the time for touching each other and bringing each other to higher states of pleasure first, you’re going to find that she’s going to be in her sexual power and then guys, look out. You’re going to have the ride of your life.

Taylor:                        That’s really beautiful. As I say, “You don’t go to the opera to hear the last note.”

Helena:         Exactly. Another thing that’s really important to know is all those places...there’s two really important areas of the body to be aware of. One is anyplace that is normally not seen by the public. Backs of the knees, under the arms, under the breasts, the neck. All these sensitive hidden places are some of the most erotic. In addition –

Taylor:                        Anything that’s a crack.

Helena:         There you go! Also anyplace where there maybe some injury. If you’ve got a bruise or if you’ve got someplace that’s hurting, if you give it love you will be amazed at how erotic that can become. How pleasurable and orgasmic as your body releases the tension that it’s holding in order to protect whatever area that is feeling a little wounded. So I’m not recommending you suck on wounds but what I am recommending is give those areas the love appropriate to what’s going on there and you may be surprised at the fountain of pleasure that’s available as a result.

Taylor:                        That’s really beautiful. Well we’re going to take another really quick break so please stay with us. This is Dr. Patti Taylor and I’m here with Shama Helena. You can learn more about Shama at her website. She has two of them. One is the pleasureparadigm.com and the other is lovenlifetools.com. And I’ll spell that. L-O-V-E-N-L-I-F-E-T-O-O-L-S dot com. So please stay with us. We’ll be right back. 

Taylor:                        We’re back and this is Dr. Patti Taylor and we are talking about the tantricly-orgasmic goddess with none other than a majorly orgasmic goddess, Shama Helena.

Helena:         You ought to know.

Taylor:                        So any other really cool techniques?

Helena:         Well, I was sharing one with you the other day that you got kind of excited about. This is an oral technique. I’ve gotten my partner – it’s taken me four years but he now gives the best head on the entire planet as far as I’m concerned. You know, we have to take the time to train our partners as to what really pleases us and to work at it to make sure that we get the best possible experiences that we can. Well, what he’s learned how to do is I love G-spot massage with his tongue. It just gets...what he does from there is he’s got these lovely, thick lips and he will wrap his upper lip around my clit and stimulate that. He will put his tongue into my G area and his bottom lip will caress the base of my vulva which, for me, is extremely erotic. And then he’ll tickle my anus with his fingers. And when those are all lined up and in sync it’s just fly-me-to-the-moon time. That’s quite a lot to manage but if you practice with your partner and you get it right you may find that it’s a real reliable winner.

Taylor:                        What else are you going to do with your life?

Helena:         Oh I don’t have too much else to do. When I got on this path, I decided I want to live my life in orgasm. So that’s what I do. I look for the orgasms in every moment.

Taylor:                        How beautiful. That’s a very hot technique. I imagine that Gordon is very popular in your mind for doing that. Sounds like a real hero for figuring that.

Helena:         The guy studied it, let me tell you. He reads everything he can. Guys, if you want to know how to please your woman, get on the net and read everything that you can.  There’s a wealth of information out there on how to please your woman.

Taylor:                        Right. We’ll be talking in Part 2 of this interview about your website, lovenlifetools.com. But right now, before we close out the show, I want to talk a little bit about your coaching practice. So I don’t know if you have a story from your own personal life or just why women come to you, the issues that they work through. But just wanted to hear a little bit about what that means to you and maybe just a little bit of an example of what coaching practice is for women and why they might want to come.

Helena:         I love working with women because this is an area where we really have a lot more work actually to do than the guys. Guys, when they’re raised, they’re kind of told, “no, you shouldn’t.” And, “maybe you can.”  And, “get what you can, but not with my daughter” and that kind of stuff, which is very confusing. But for women we’re just told, “No.”  And so we really have to work through a lot of programming on “no.” And we have guys who don’t know how to activate us so it can be a very unrewarding experience for most women sexually. So what I try to do with women is help them to realize, and first of all understand, that they are entitled to orgasmic pleasure. They are entitled to ask for what they want. They are entitled to have a good time. It’s not all about the guy as we were taught in Victorian programming.

Taylor:                        I bet that might take...that may be harder than it sounds, right? That could be a lifetime right there to just get that –

Helena:         A lifetime of work. I mean what started me off was when I was in college and I took a psychology class on self-esteem and I was given this book and I’m reading this book and I go, “Aha! This is what I’ve got to work on.” And that’s what I find in most women. We have so much programming that says you’ve got to look perfect. So much programming that says you’ve got to be the guy, you’ve got to be the girl, you’ve got to handle it all and we just tap dance our way to oblivion.

Taylor:                        Or orgasm is wrong, pleasure is wrong.

Helena:         Right. Or “you can only have so much.” Putting yourself first. Women are not supposed to...they’re supposed to be the nurturers and take care of everybody else and what happens is we move into burn out. We’re so busy giving and we’re not replenishing our own personal, energetic bank account that we literally burn out. I have had an experience recently where I went into adrenal burn out and I’m having quite a journey coming back and my libido disappeared. What gets in the way? Exhaustion. Not taking care of and balancing your life. And making sure that all the things that nurture you are happening every week.

Taylor:                        So if a woman came into you and she was burned out, or yourself, okay?  Because I think we’re transparent enough in this day and age that everyone goes through these issues. What’s something someone could do who’s having that issue?

Helena:         The first thing I do is I really help them to get in touch with themselves. What they want, what they need, what they enjoy and then we sit down and do kind of a plan for them to balance their time out and to make sure that they’re making choices that support that balance.  So we make time to work out. We make time to meditate. We make time to take hot baths and nurture ourselves. And most importantly, we make time for our sexual life. And there’s two parts to that. There’s a sexual life with yourself and there’s a sexual life if you have a partner. Both need to be addressed, not just one or the other. Because when you have a relationship with yourself, and a sexual relationship with yourself, you’re not in a co-dependent state with your partner and he’s the only one that can make you feel good.  Instead, you are in charge.  You’re responsible for your orgasm, you’re responsible for your orgasmic energy and you’re responsible for your pleasure and when you come to your partner with a full cup... it’s like two tennis players. First, you’ve got a tennis player that’s teaching his students and that’s one experience. But when you have a tennis player who’s playing with another tennis player, now you can have a real game. So the more you bring, the more fun you can have. And what is important about that is if you know yourself and you know what you like and you know what feels good and you are well-fed and nurtured coming to the plate, then it’s going to be a much more powerful, profound and upwardly spiral kind of experience rather than a drain.

Taylor:                        And have you actually seen this work in a lot of the women, that turnaround is possible?

Helena:         Absolutely. And I think the biggest think women have to deal with is resentment. That is the biggest thing that blocks sexual energy.

Taylor:                        And how do you deal with that? What’s the cure? Is orgasming the cure?

Helena:         Well, that’s part of the cure, opening that pelvic area, doing a lot of yoga and G-spot massage, anal massage. All those kinds of things will help to open that pelvic area for greater flow and energy. But in addition you need to get more authentic yourself and be better at asking for what you want from your partner and recognizing that if you’ve got resentments it’s really not your partner, it’s about you and it’s about you asking for what you want. As you do so, your partner will respond either by aligning with you or by going away. Either way you win because you’re going to get more of what you want in your life.

Taylor:                        Wow. Well, that is phenomenal advice. Well, we’re going to close out this show. We do have a second show coming up all about men and a little bit about tantra in the world and sacred sexuality but to close out the show I just want to ask if you have anything you’d like to leave our listeners that will inspire them for...with an inspiring thought.

Helena:         Well I think the most important thing that I can tell women is your sexuality is your birthright. Your pleasure is your birthright and your orgasm is your birthright.  But you got to make sure you get your birthright. It’s up to you.

Taylor:                        Well on that beautiful, simple note we’re going to close out this show. I thank you Shama, so much for coming on today and just gracing us with so many amazing tips and thoughts and inspirations.

Helena:         You’re welcome honey. It’s always a pleasure connecting with you. You’re so yummy.

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